So, Just finnished day four of Holy Camp. A little of the things we're learning are Prophetic Evangilism, how to prophisy over some one, end times stuff, and 3 hours at a time in the prayer room where you dance around or walk or start mumbling giberish or read the Bible or what have you.
... help.
Anyway, on to the positive stuff. The kids are actually pretty cool for the most part. We've got some people from England, (really funny story actually, cause the english chick asks a question and the speaker just looks at her, and she starts laughing. And the Teacher goes, "I missed that can you say that again?" she starts asking the question again and he goes, "How do you do that? That is so awesome. I love your voice can you say something else." Yeah, hilarious actually.) Then you've got the Nazerite vow chick that I've been hanging around with, who's trying all the time to get me to read end time stuff or do Holy Spirit stuff, She's pretty cool though, considering. Then you've got the Emma Watson looking chick (not joking, I was going, "was thinking, are you suuure your name isn't Emma Watson?") Then you've got the chick who gets drunk in the spirit constantly, then the group of girls who like to dance in teh prayer room. (Emma is in that group, good dancer actually) Then the dude who's ex-brother-in-law who was a satanist (also the guy who told the press about what was going on in the prison camps in the middle east) and his kid had a demon in him and he ended up doing battle with it. Then there's the other people I know somewhat but not as well. One other guy actually likes Harry Potter, which when I heard I went, "DUDE, NO FRIGGIN WAY!!!"
This was also the same day I saw a Vote for Ron Paul sticker AND the Five Points of Calvinism on one of the whiteboards at the Church. At which point I went, "YEAH! TULIP FOR THE WIN!"
But yeah, I've had like 4 Harry Potter Dissussions, or dissussions that ended up talking about Harry Potter, and out of the 4 or 5 or whatever, I've only had 1 where the guy I was talking to totally respected my oppinion about it. That guy was friggin awesome.
But yeah, I'm pretty much sick of it now, it makes my stomach go "ugh... I don't feel good" Something just doesn't sit right with me about it. And honestly, I tried doing the stuff, I went, "Ok God, I'm here for a reason, you either braught me here to show me that this is really the way it goes, or to clear all doubts about the issue." Well, I can say after 4 days, all doubts are cleared, and it just doesn't sit right with me.
Another thing making me mad is atleast once, if not twice, the pastor of the church, Mike Bickle, is talked about as a, "dude this guy is a visionary." Kinda thing. Really, REALLY, REALLY makes me angry. Sunday's message was, for the first hour, saying that anybody who believes that God predestines stuff are stupid, and they're not real followers of God, and that when they're in heaven they're gunna be wearing Rags and stuff, while him and the people who in IHOP and stuff are gunna have crowns. Then, he goes on a tangent about porn. Internet porn. And how he made a vow never to look at internet porn ever. I tell you, I have never felt so angry, I was about ready to walk out. Then after that I got in a dissussion about Predestination Vs Free Will. And I go, "well Free Will ultimatly means it's works, not by the Grace of God. And I gave him some verses to support my point, things like, the people who won't go to heaven but say, "we performed miraculus works in your name" and Jesus will go, "I never knew you" and when God hardened Pharaoh's heart, and when it says that God hated Esau and Loved Jacob. And The answer I get is, "well, you can't get your theology on a few obsure verses." These guys are crazy, one speaker guy, who was telling his testomony actually said there was a divine Coincadence. I'm thinking, "DUDE WHAT THE HECK?!? THERE IS NO SUCH THING!"
ugh, makes me angry. I only have 5 more days of this, then another 7, which means 9 more days at that church.
Anyway, Pray for me, seriously.
Oh, I got prophesied over, What this one chick said was I was in green, with a bow shooting an arrow, and another guy said the arrow ment my words, and they were gunna pearce people. Then another guy said I was gentle, which made me laugh. (which I am for the most of the time, but I am not a gentle person, :P)
anyway, I'm signing off now, have fun everybody!
2 comments:
As to what sits right with you, etc., I heartily recommend that you just look at what the Word of God says about the crud they're trying to get you to do.
You really summed it up when you quoted Scripture, and he said you can't get theology from it. Where the HECK ELSE are you supposed to get your theology from????
These people are all about the subjective experience, and the more it ignores the Word of God, the better for them.
Chris summed it up. This group is very much about subjective experience, which varies dramatically from person to person, rather than the infallible, unchangeable Word of God. I don't know about you, but I would *much* rather look to something that is eternally and unchangeably holy than my own subjective "encounters" and experiences.
After all, "the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked above all things," yes?
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